Some May Be Too Weak … January 20, 2014

I now present a possibility… perhaps there are those individuals who should not abandon religion.

To begin let’s consider the girl character on the movie “Paul”, the one which was highly religious, having been made so by her father. Upon being released from her religion (see the movie) she abandoned her morality. Swearing as well as other taboos were readily considered. How insane is that? Yes, it was fiction, but it parallels much behavior that I have seen.

I have noticed that many of the new atheists that you see and meet have this same weakness, that is, they think they have to become someone other than who they have been, in short: that they must become bad to the bone. Naturally, the reaction of former Christian friends and acquaintances is expressed in a knowing glance and the expression “I could see that coming.”

Perhaps those who think they must abandon their morals should stay religious. This does not mean that being religious helps them, only that, perhaps with association with other religious they might not be so quick to carry out the heinous acts which they are prone. Yes, I am asserting that these people are simply bad people, and are bad with or without religion. The only thing that has up to this point held their tendencies in check is close association with those who do not present the opportunity to bring their desires to fruition. These people would, however, just as quickly betray their brethren as they might any one else. I say, let them betray their brethren.

This leaves us in a quandary. When you attempt to “proselytize” them, or deprogram, whichever term you prefer, how do you know whether you are releasing someone who can handle it versus someone who is really a very bad person? The inevitable question most will ask also will be: “how do you define a bad person”? Does the terms rob, cheat, and murder still apply? I would think so.

Those that need the crutch of religion to keep from being in jail should not be deprived of it.

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5 Responses to Some May Be Too Weak … January 20, 2014

  1. john zande says:

    I absolutely loathe the fact we talk about morality and religion in the same sentence. They are not connected. Never have been.

  2. drenn1077 says:

    No, they have never been connected, not only that, morality existed before religion, long before.

  3. ubi dubium says:

    “I have noticed that many of the new atheists that you see and meet have this same weakness, that is, they think they have to become someone other than who they have been, in short: that they must become bad to the bone.”

    I have not noticed this at all. I read a lot of deconversion stories, and the overall pattern that I have seen is “Oh, my! If there’s no god to make things right and forgive me for messing up, then it’s up to me not to mess up and to right my own wrongs and to make the world better.” I see a lot of newly-deconverted make an effort to change for the better.

    However, there is also the tendency to reconsider the former “taboos” of religion and to indulge in the ones that are actually harmless. Like a former orthodox Jew chowing down on bacon cheeseburgers. He’s not becoming a bad person, he’s just figuring out which taboos were pointless, and deliberately violating those. It can be part of mentally breaking away from extreme indoctrination.

    However, I do agree that there are some theists who are just not ready to let go of religion, and those people I don’t push. I have a close friend who is an alcoholic and credits Catholicism for helping him stay dry. (Which he is doing successfully.) Now I think that the strength to stay off alcohol is coming from him and not from his religion, but as long as he has convinced himself that it’s the religion doing it, I’m not going to challenge that.

  4. drenn1077 says:

    I am surprised that you have not noticed a change in some of those who leave the faith. For example, I remember in the 1970’s seeing a fellow who worked in the bakery of the store where I was employed. He was gung-ho Christian, died in the wool fundamentalist. He wanted very much to do missionary work. It was maybe 10 years later I saw him again, smoking, fat, swearing, and overall, a person you would not like to let in your house. Some people just can’t handle personal responsibility. Others, unable to handle it, drift back to the church.

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